| New challenge goes live today! |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.16 08:58:50
There might be a surprise for any of our registered users completing puzzles from now onwards. When you successfully solve a Kwon-Tom Loop, you'll be offered the chance to take part in a secondary challenge known as a "Kwon-Tom Wrong".
Myself, Stephen & jimbobjoe have been testing this over the past couple of days and it seems to be working ok, so I've now opened it up to all registered users. Not all puzzles have an associated "Wrong" challenge yet, but give it about a week and all the archived puzzles should have one.
Have fun!
Last edited by foilman - 2006.02.16 08:59:34 |
astrokath
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3258
Best Total: 13m 42s | Posted - 2006.02.16 10:10:48
Oh, I *LIKE* it!
Last edited by astrokath - 2006.02.16 10:11:00 |
procrastinator
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1083
Best Total: 12m 56s | Posted - 2006.02.16 12:13:57
Fortunately, this is something I've been giving myself a lot of practise at recently. |
nevstyles
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 537
Best Total: 27m 19s | Posted - 2006.02.16 12:21:31
I solved today's puzzle and saw the link for the new puzzle, but sadly I had to get on with some work  ) I have just gone back to try it, but I cannot find a link for it anywhere, am I just being dim?! |
tzukanion
Kwon-Tom Addict
Puzzles: 440
Best Total: 17m 39s | Posted - 2006.02.16 12:41:36
You can only see the know-tom-wrong puzzle on the page that comes up immediately after you complete a puzzle, so you'll just have to re-do today's puzzle if you want to give it a go. |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.16 13:24:38
That's right, it's based on the solution you provide so it only appears when you've just finished a puzzle. Everyone's starting position will look slightly different depending on what crosses they have in place, but the ultimate solution will of course always be the same. |
drnull
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1053
Best Total: 23m 25s | Posted - 2006.02.16 13:37:52
Quote: Originally Posted by foilman Everyone's starting position will look slightly different depending on what crosses they have in place, but the ultimate solution will of course always be the same. |
Nice addition! |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.16 13:42:10
Quote: Originally Posted by drnull Fun! So, do you change the same number on each person? I can see this being very good practice for when you find that little mistake... |
Yes, each person will have the same problem. They're ranked in difficulty totally differently to the normal week (easy -> very hard). Instead these go from easy (possible in less than 20 changes), to medium (possible in less than 40 changes) up to hard (at least 40 changes) and there's no pattern to what appears on what day, so you might get an easy on a Friday and a hard on a Monday.
It is indeed good practise for situations where you finish but have something wrong; unfortunately I don't get into that position very often these days, so I'm rubbish at the Wrongs!! |
drnull
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1053
Best Total: 23m 25s | Posted - 2006.02.16 13:55:47
And one other thing... I guess it's obvious once you think about it (otherwise we'd all have the same "change" basis score) but you charge us a change even if we put it back the way it was, right? |
astrokath
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3258
Best Total: 13m 42s | Posted - 2006.02.16 13:59:22
Mmm.. And it's nice to shift the emphasis from time to number of changes.
Which makes me think - the best starting place for a Kwon Tom wrong would be the completed puzzle *without* any crosses...
Last edited by astrokath - 2006.02.16 13:59:51 |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.16 14:17:42
Quote: Originally Posted by drnull And one other thing... I guess it's obvious once you think about it (otherwise we'd all have the same "change" basis score) but you charge us a change even if we put it back the way it was, right? |
Quote: Originally Posted by astrokath Which makes me think - the best starting place for a Kwon Tom wrong would be the completed puzzle *without* any crosses... |
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drnull
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1053
Best Total: 23m 25s | Posted - 2006.02.16 22:53:55
I think there's a slight problem when you get the same number of changes, but takes you longer than the top scorer. It tells you that you have the best result recorded, which isn't *really* true. |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.17 08:39:28
Quote: Originally Posted by drnull I think there's a slight problem when you get the same number of changes, but takes you longer than the top scorer. It tells you that you have the best result recorded, which isn't *really* true. |
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astrokath
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3258
Best Total: 13m 42s | Posted - 2006.02.17 09:08:22
Quote: Originally Posted by foilman Quote: Originally Posted by drnull I think there's a slight problem when you get the same number of changes, but takes you longer than the top scorer. It tells you that you have the best result recorded, which isn't *really* true. |
Thanks for the info... I think I've got it fixed, but I'm not 100% sure - let me know if you see anything like this again. |
You don't seem to have it quite fixed yet - I just completed today's kwontom wrong, and jimbobjoe was listed as having the best result even though someone else had the same number of moves in a quicker time. |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.17 09:14:21
Quote: Originally Posted by astrokath You don't seem to have it quite fixed yet - I just completed today's kwontom wrong, and jimbobjoe was listed as having the best result even though someone else had the same number of moves in a quicker time. |
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astrokath
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3258
Best Total: 13m 42s | Posted - 2006.02.17 09:58:42
Another quick query - I note that Stephen has the exact same move count AND time as me for kwontom wrong today. Is that a coincidence, or another glitch? I expect it's the former, but you might want to check. |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.17 10:26:38
Well I've never seen the two of you in the same place... so... hmmm....
No actually it's just a coincidence. He's in the same office as me and I can confirm his time & count were genuine. |
Stephen
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 5215
Best Total: 21m 48s | Posted - 2006.02.17 10:30:21
Surprised me too..! |
procrastinator
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1083
Best Total: 12m 56s | Posted - 2006.02.17 13:22:31
Since these extend back to the beginning, I doubt the changing number is part of the original puzzle construction. So how do you know there's always going to be a number you can change to create a new puzzle with a unique solution? |
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 3613
Best Total: 24m 6s | Posted - 2006.02.17 13:39:58
Well I don't know that there is going to be such a number, the code tries changing every number on the board in turn and checks to see which one would make the hardest to solve puzzle. So far every puzzle has had a number that can be changed, but I've no idea if that will always be the case. If so, there'll be a day without a Wrong. |
